James WINDEATT's Greenwich Family

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Tree

We do not yet know how this family connects into other WINDGEAT family trees but finding James' birth certificate will help.  See more information about this below.  Meanwhile, according to the 1861 census,  it seems that he may be the grandson of a Thomas WINGETT christenened in 1794 the son of a Mary WINGETT of Marldon who later married James MAYER.  Mary is probably the daughter of a Thomas and Agnes WINGETT who may have married in Bigbury in 1761 according to a kind correspondent.

The tree below was put together by Peter Windeatt from information on James' two marriage certificates and from BMD index data - see the list of sources below.  It needs further research and confirmation.

  ?William WINDEATT (Labourer)
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  James WINDEATT (House Painter)
  b. 1847/8 Newton Abbot, (?d.Jun.qtr 1914, aged 66)
  m (1) 11.1874 Greenwich = Mary Ann FOWEN (nee SALTER)   m (2) 17.06.99 Melissa ROBSON
                          | b. 1838/9 Lambeth                   d. Greenwich dec.qtr.1907 age 61 (ref:1d 557)
  ________________________|___________________________________________
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  Grace                Thomas James          Mary Elizabeth     George Salter 
  b. 1876 Greenwich    b.1877/8 Greenwich    b.1880 Greenwich   b. 1881 Greenwich
  m. 1904 Greenwich    d.1893 Greenwich                         m. 1904 Greenwich
                                                                d. 1911 Southwark
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                                                                possible children?
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                                                _____________________|__________________
                                                |                    |                |
                                            George Patrick    James Thomas      Margaret Mary
                                            b.1906 Greenwich  b.1907 Greenwich  b.1909 Greenwich
                                                                

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Possible birth details for James

On Free BMD there are two possibilities listed in the index for births of a James in Newton Abbott.

1. Name: Wyeatt, James   Date: 1847 June quarter Place: Newton Abbot  Volume: X  Page: 131  Link
2. Name: Wingeatt, James Date: 1847 Dec. quarter Place: Newton Abbot  Volume: X  Page: 130  Link

In the 1861 census there is a James WINDIAT, aged 13,  whose occupation is Painter.  He is living at 26 Fore St. St. Marychurch with his grandfather, Thomas and grandmother, Grace.  The age and occupation  fit in very well with what we know about James in later life and, in addition, the names of the grandparents in this 1861 census extract are the same as the names given to James' children later in Greenwich.  Such naming patterns are a big clue.  In the 1861 census the birthplace is given as St Mary Church which at that time was part of the Newton Abbot registration district.  As happened so often when James moved to London he probably gave the name of the nearest large town rather than the small place where he was born.  In 1847 St. Mary Church (Torquay) was just beginning its grand nineteenth century expansion and was relatively small compared to Newton Abbot.

Further speculation about James' ancestors can be found on the Walkhampton to Woolwich? page.

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Sources

1. 1874 Marriage Certificate - Parish Church of St. Thomas, Woolwich

Date	Name & Surname	Age	Condition	Rank or Profession	Residence at the time of Marriage	Father's Name and Forename	Rank or profession of Father	Witnesses
11/10/1874	James WINDEATT	29	Bachelor	House Painter	St. Thomas, Woolwich	William WINDEATT	Labourer	William RANDELL Ann Mary RANDALL
	Mary Ann GOWEN	35	Widow	-	do.	William SALTER	Baker

Mary Ann SALTER had been married before probably to a John GOWEN  in the March quarter of 1863 (Reference:Lewisham, 1d 856)

2. 1899 Marriage Certificate - St. Alfege Church in the Parish of Greenwich

Date	Name & Surname	Age	Condition	Rank or Profession	Residence at the time of Marriage	Father's Name and Forename	Rank or profession of Father	Witnesses
17/06/1899	James WINDEATT	52	Widower	House Painter	50 King George St.	William WINDEATT (deceased)	Labourer	George WINDEATT Grace WINDEATT
	Melissa ROBSON	53	Spinster	-	33 South St.	William ROBSON (deceased)	Carpenter

3. 1881 census (taken 3rd April 1881)

Here is the family living at 28 Pelton Road.  There was another young couple (Alfred and Florence PULLEN) with a  baby son living in the same house.

Name	Status	Marr	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birthplace
James WINDEATT	Head	M	M	34	House Painter	Newton Abbot, Devon, England
Mary A. WINDEATT	Wife	M	F	42	Wife	Lambeth, Surrey, England
Grace WINDEATT	Daur		F	4		Greenwich, Kent, England
Thomas J. WINDEATT6	Son		M	3		Greenwich, Kent, England
Charlotte SALTER	Mother In Law	W	F	62		NK, Hampshire, England

Pelton Road figures in Charles Booth's survey into London Life and Labour (see link) and is classified as a mixed area with the people being comfortable to poor.  There is a photograph of the street in the 1960s here: Link.  King George Street where he was living at his marriage in 1899 seems to have been a step up - houses classified as 'comfortable' - Link.

3. 1901 census (taken 3rd April 1881)

Living at 50 King George Street, St. Alphege, Greenwich in a house with less than five rooms.

Name	Status	Marr	Sex	Age	Occupation	Birthplace
James WINDEATT	Head	M	M	53	House Painter	Devon, Newton Abbot
Melissa WINDEATT	Wife	M	F	54		Norfolk, ?Bockling*
George WINDEATT	Son		F	19	Engine Assistant	Kent, Greenwich

This entry is at the bottom of the page - it is possible that the following page contains additional information but I haven't seen it.

*Place looks like Bockling but I can't be sure.

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